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Torele takes down the final win in 2011

Posted 01/01/2012 00:51 by Mike 64

Torele claimed the final victory in 2011 as he saw Aston Villa beat Chelsea by more than 1 goal on the final night of the contest. Great prediction! See all five winners below.

Place Prize
1. torele €46
2. skutulus €28.75
3. tienxxxx €19.55
4. delong €11.5
5. daskalos86 €9.2

All winners will be credited with their winnings via Moneybookers / NETeller / Paypal. Send the email you use for your ewallet to

A big thank you to all contestants!

The rules of the Monthly Contests have changed.
Max stake on a match will be 100 (still 10-100 on each pick) and winners will now decided by Yield. Yield shows your profits in relation to your stakes. It’s better to win 1000 with 5000 in stakes, than it is to win 1500 with 10.000 in stakes. This means you could easily win with stakes of 10, 20, 30 etc. It’s all about making the most of your stakes.

Yield is calculated like this: Profits / Stakes x 100

We hope people will embrace this change, and that it will make the monthly contests even better.

Join the January Contest 2012


Posted 01/01/2012 11:58 by 1mikel1

i have joined victor chandler for the january contest as i had already an account with unibet

Posted 01/01/2012 12:26 by daskalos86

hello asger happy new year....I need to explain me how I can take the money I saw this (Send the email you use for your ewallet to ) but I dont trust my english... [:P]

Posted 01/01/2012 13:18 by tienxxxx

send them your paypal email

Posted 01/01/2012 13:19 by delong

Happy New Year asger :)

Posted 01/01/2012 14:52 by daskalos86

asger I sent you my paypal email to

Posted 01/01/2012 14:57 by podlium

Happy new year!!! and congrats to the winners!

Posted 01/01/2012 16:13 by daskalos86

asger do we start with the last month yield?..why?

Posted 01/01/2012 16:25 by tienxxxx

torele already 188% ?

Posted 01/01/2012 16:36 by podlium

yield? this will be a weird month...

Posted 01/01/2012 16:47 by daskalos86

yes but if it depends at last month's yield is unfair.. and asger sorry i meant *I sent you my moneybookers email*

Posted 01/01/2012 16:54 by podlium

yes but it is probably just an error

Posted 01/01/2012 17:18 by delong

So regarding this yield concept, is it total profit for Jan divided by total stake for Jan then multiplied by 100%? If yes, what about the case of no win no lose bets? Suppose I bet $100 on level ball and the game is drawn. Then profit would be 0 but stake is 100 so this would cause a lower yield since all the stakes are totalled. Unless the stake for no win no lose bets are not factored in, then it would be fair.

Posted 01/01/2012 17:36 by daskalos86

yes but i don't think that for anyone it's fair to start january contest with december's yield..for example... my december's stakes was 16250 and profit was 1486.14 so... 1486.14 / 16,250 * 100 = 9,15%.......... I started this January contest with 9% yield I believe that 0% yield for everyone is fair!!

Posted 01/01/2012 18:01 by podlium

definitely not fair, but im sure it will be fixed when developer sobers up :)

Posted 01/01/2012 18:12 by cuongbet1981

I don't understand about the new rules .

Posted 01/01/2012 19:00 by asger

Hey, sorry for the late response. Still waisted..

The Yield should be from January of course.. An error when we changed the concept, and the developer is not answering (understandably :). He will fix it in the morning. I expect that all picks from today are included.

Your thoughts are quite relevant Delong.. Excluding voids from the Yield is unconventional, but it makes sense.. I will see if we can exclude voids from the Yield. I have to think this through tomorrow with a clean head though :D Any thought on this idea is more than welcome. @cuongbet - same rules, but max 100 on a match and Yield instead of profit.

Posted 01/01/2012 19:33 by dexino

I had already an account with i can use that?

Posted 01/01/2012 19:35 by daskalos86

asger what is going on with my money I need that 9euros...I have 2 must bring money back home :P

Posted 01/01/2012 19:58 by cuongbet1981

I will must add 10 pick with stake 10 x10 = 100 (max) . That way my yield will good than more when i only add 1 pick 100 (max) , alright ?

Posted 01/01/2012 21:07 by podlium

sell them, so you will have money and will not need to get home :D. And you can always make more kids ;)

Posted 01/01/2012 21:36 by asger

@cuongbet - no, that we be the same. Stake and profit is the same..

€10 x odds 2.5 = €25 - €10 x 10 picks = €150
€100 x odds 2.5 = €250 - €100 = €150

These are the only numbers used in the equation. Not the number of picks. Your hitrate might improve..

Posted 01/01/2012 23:29 by delong

@asger: Other than no win no lose bets, there is also the case of matches which are postponed or suspended. Unless I am missing something, excluding the stake from these void and postponed matches is also needed else it won't be an accurate and meaningful reflection of the yield. If not, most people would avoid asian handicap bets such as 0, 0.25, 0.75, 1, etc.. and only bet on absolute win/lose bets like 0.5, 1.5, 2.5, etc or 1x2. Then what's the point right :) I suggest that as long as there is a return in stake (and that includes AH half returns), they should be excluded in the total stakes for the month. And as always, I hope the matches to be included in the calculation are those that are made AFTER the person had signed up for the Jan contest.

Posted 02/01/2012 01:02 by asger

Picks on cancelled and postponed matches are always deleted anyway, so they will not be included neither no. We will make this change tomorrow, and name it Bet yield or Betyield..Thanks a lot for bringing this to my attention!

Posted 02/01/2012 04:53 by delong

Erm.. I got about 12 picks to make today. If there are any complete or partial no win no lose bet results for my 12 picks today, and since the changes will only be made tomorrow, will these stakes be removed from my Jan stakes total?

Posted 02/01/2012 05:50 by cuongbet1981

@asger : i have joined the january contest and joined unibet with nick name cuongbet1981 . Can you help me check them ,asger ? I don't want my account will removed out the january contest again .

Posted 02/01/2012 09:28 by cuongbet1981

@asger : If i add 3 pick 1.89 , 1.79 , 2.0 and won . when total stake of me is 300 and my profit is 268 . I will have yield is 89% . But if i add 1 pick 2.0 and won . When total stake of me is 100 and my profit is 100 . I will have yield is 100% . Alright , asger ?

Posted 02/01/2012 14:17 by cuongbet1981

This will be a weird month . Everybody often only to add picks for under . :D

Posted 02/01/2012 14:38 by asger

You can't make picks worth 300. Max 100 now. But yes, your calculation is correct, low odds give lower profits and thus lower yield.

The leaderboard is updated according to Yield, but this Betyield concept is more complex for us than it seems. I hope we can fix it tonight. All picks since you joined the contest are included.

Posted 02/01/2012 15:17 by podlium

This betyield is a weird concept, i liked more the old concept... This is all about getting one high odd pick correctly. And you cant pick picks with odds that will produce less yield that you already have... i mean every next pick you make has to have a higher odd then the previus one otherwise you will lower your yield...

Posted 02/01/2012 17:11 by cuongbet1981

@asger : I want to talk is i add 3 pick for 3 another match . I can make 100 pick for 100 another match wuth odd is 3.5 and won . Profits will is 25.000 , but the yeild only is 250% . If anyone make 1 pick with odd is 3.6 and won . Profits will is 260 , but the yeild will is 260% . 25.000 > 260 , but 250% <260% . It isn't fair .

Posted 02/01/2012 17:21 by cuongbet1981

Szekely with yeild 108% . He will win only with 3 picks for 1 mouth . And my yeild is 10% . I have make 100 another pick with odds 2.00 and won . I still lose him . Because my yeild will less than his yeild . If i want win when i must make so much with odds than more 4.00 hoac 5.00 . It will lotto sport .

Posted 02/01/2012 18:06 by podlium

exatcly! Not cool this yield...

Posted 02/01/2012 18:11 by asger

Yes, but if you miss a lot of picks (by taking the unlikely odds) then your Yield will be even lower.

I can the concerns with a few high odds wins, like Szekely right now. But there is now a minimum of 25 picks (maybe more..) so noone can win with a few high odds. And if someone takes 25 picks with high odds, chances are that he will finish with a negative yield. I hope the winners will have something like 10-20% yield.

Posted 02/01/2012 18:15 by cuongbet1981

I think 1 month member must have than more 30 picks . It's is ok .

Posted 03/01/2012 01:29 by delong

@ asger: My yield was wrongly calculated. It should be 52.28% as of my last bet. My first bet after joining the Jan contest was Stockport-Barrow and there were 2 matches that should not be counted as they were no win/lose. My total stake should be 1200 with profit of 627.4. Therefore, (627.4/1200)*100%=52.28%

Posted 03/01/2012 06:54 by cuongbet1981

@delong : 1 pick won + 1 pick lose = 1 pick draw . Why 1 pick draw isn't counted , when (1 pick won + 1 pick lose = 1 pick draw) , but total stake of (1 pick won + 1 pick lose) will - 200 (???) . If 1 pick draw isn't counted when toal stake of (1 pick won + 1 pick lose) must is 0 .

Posted 03/01/2012 09:45 by daskalos86

Hi asger..I beted last night Denver Nuggets - Milwaukee Bucks +5 Milwaukee was *void* but system took me 100 an give back 0.. why? :- /

Posted 03/01/2012 18:25 by asger

@daskalos - i just checked your stats, and they are correct. The pick says Stake 100, Profit 0 - but the system don't take the stake. Only the profit/loss. But the contest is still calculated according to Yield, where your stake on void is included.

Posted 03/01/2012 20:58 by asger

Regarding the Yield vs Betyield, I'm not 100% sure the change is an improvement - as long as we keep out cancelled and postponed matches. I spoke to an expert today briefly but will meet him again tomorrow. Maybe we stick with yield, at least for now.

Posted 03/01/2012 22:33 by tienxxxx

this yield contest is fun

Posted 03/01/2012 23:50 by delong

@asger: could u please reply my previous message about my yield which should be 52.28% ? Thanks!

Posted 04/01/2012 00:54 by asger

Sorry I didn't answer directly, but the factor is still Yield - with no advantage for AH/OU... perhaps a disadvantage. I'm trying to figure out exactly, but as of now the contest is with Yield....with cancelled, abandoned, postponed matches excluded from the stakes.

Posted 04/01/2012 00:56 by asger which case your stats are correctly computed, no?

Posted 04/01/2012 01:43 by delong

Well my total stake excluding 2 void matches is $1200 and my total profit since I joined the contest is $627.4 so that translates to yield of (627.4/1200)*100%=52.28% right? Unless I am missing something which I hope u can point out.

Posted 04/01/2012 01:58 by daskalos86

@asger sorry but I think tha in void must have 0 profit and 0 I right? look at this for example: until now I have stakes: 1350 including 2 voids 50 +100 you said "but the system don't take the stake" look...that's my stakes-profite-yield one by one by now ( * means void stakes ok?) Stakes: 50+20+100+50+50*+100+100+30,+30,+50+50+100+100*+100+100+10+60+100+50+100 = 1,350 (just like my states *Including wrongly 2 voids* I suppose) Profit : 50, -20, 100, 56, 0, -100, 104, -30, -30, -50, -50, -100, 144, 0, 89.2, 50.5, -60, -100, 64, -100= 17.7 (including correctly two 0 voids) so... 17.7 / 1350 *100 = 1.31% just like on my state table yield 1.31% right? you told me the system doesn't take the voids as stakes right? so.. 17.7 / 1200 *100 = 1,47% I would be again 1% but If I increase my profit and leave the 2 different stakes the same It would be a big difference!! 1000 / 1350 *100 = 74,07% (Including voids) 1000 / 1200 *100 = 83,33% (not including voids as stakes) help!!! my Brain hearts :P

Posted 04/01/2012 01:58 by asger

The point is, void matches/stakes are not excluded now. I'm not sure if it should be excluded, because we are risking without winning.

Posted 04/01/2012 02:03 by delong

According to the yield formula, there should be no deduction for losses right since the loss is factored into the increase in stake (with no profit) and thereby giving lower yield.

Posted 04/01/2012 02:05 by daskalos86

@delong we're saying same thing right?

Posted 04/01/2012 02:17 by asger

No loss is deducted from Profits, but the stake is included stakes. But that's not the same as a loss which would give much worse yield. Still it does lower the Yield - but should it not? We are risking money and not winning.

Also. Say you bet €100 on home win @ odds 2. Then €50 on the draw @ 3. That's Home win 0 (ah) @ 1.5 - and all stakes will still be included.

Posted 04/01/2012 02:24 by asger

edit: home win o (ah) @ 1.34 ... : )

Posted 04/01/2012 02:39 by daskalos86

like you said (home win odds 2,00 - stake 100) (draw 3,00 - stake 50) both ways gives you same increase in yield... but in ah 1,50 if match ends with draw makes yield lower.. it is not the same thing... right?

Posted 04/01/2012 02:45 by daskalos86

no my mistake.... first example is right It is ah 1,50... if the result is draw is 0 profit and 150 stake : - /

Posted 04/01/2012 02:48 by daskalos86

so asger the point is that it doesn't worth to risk ah win0 -1. -2, -3, -4,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?

Posted 04/01/2012 02:54 by delong

Ok asger so if u say that no loss is deducted from profits but stake is inclusive of void stakes, my yield should then be (627.4/1400)*100%=44.81% instead of the current 2%. But I don't agree with void stakes being included simply because it should not be 'risking without winning' but rather, it should be 'risking without win or loss' so for void bets or half void bets, the stake should not be counted. If void stakes are counted, then who would want to make bets like Asian Handicap or Over/Under where there are countless bet options that have voids or half voids option with yield-unfriendly odds averaging 1.9 :)

Posted 04/01/2012 02:58 by delong

I mean just like u can see it as 'risking without winning', I can also see it as 'risking without losing' :p

Posted 04/01/2012 03:06 by daskalos86

I agree with delong who would want to make bets like ah.. If void bets are including in stakes I will a"void" them :P

Posted 04/01/2012 10:10 by cuongbet1981

@Asger : Anyone should won with 1 pick, isn't it ?Only 1 pick for the jannuary ?

Posted 04/01/2012 23:45 by delong

@asger: Can help to answer my query above on why my yield isn't 44.81%? I have showed my calculation 4 posts above even by adding in void stakes. Tks!

Posted 05/01/2012 13:18 by johnq

asger I've tried to join january contest with other sites because I already have an account with unibet but no via betscout...and I don't know if I done something wrong...I created a new email also to sing up in unibet via betscout but when i join January contest there is an error message! can you help pls?

Posted 05/01/2012 13:40 by asger

@ delong - your stakes are not included in profits. Your profit is 27.4.
27.4 / 1400 x 100 = 1.96% is the correct Yield calculation.

@ Johnq - you got the error since you have already joined once. You are in the contest, I was just slow accepting you. But you can't join Unibet if you already have an account with them, so just create a new, free account with any of the 80 other bookmakers.

Posted 05/01/2012 14:53 by delong

@ asger: Tks for the explanation. And I can see u are really putting in a lot of effort to maintain Betscout. Keep it up and cheers!!

Posted 05/01/2012 22:15 by asger

Doing all I can with passion, appreciate the appreciation ;)

Posted 22/01/2012 18:14 by SoccerBets

I don't like this system with yield, I would rather compete for the cumulated profit. I made already 3 bets with odds 2,1 - 2,00 and 3,30 and my Yield was 220% -> 165 % -> 145%... I see that the guy on the first place has a yield of 160 already. I mean I will always go down on yield eventhough I am making fantastic picks with odds 2.00. If you want to have a yield of more then 1.60 then I have to make picks with odds 3.00 this is stupid. Please let's go back to the old system of contest with profit.

Posted 22/01/2012 18:34 by podlium

stupid aint it ... i have a pofit of 14500 and yield 74 ...

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